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Usenet Mac Digest     Friday, March 18, 1988         Volume 4 : Issue 38

Today's Topics:
     Re: Apple's CD SC CD-ROM driver
     Good Fortran Compiler for the Mac. The results are in.
     Re: FONT/DA mover and NFNTs
     Want mailing list software
     Any sign of the Macintosh Hardware Book from Addison-Wesley?
     Coral Lisp
     Re: Apple's CD SC CD-ROM driver
     Hard disks
     Cabri - a tool for graph theory (looking for info)
     Re: Any sign of the Macintosh Hardware Book from Addison-Wesley?
     Re: What I found on the inside of SE's cover....
     Word 3 Reader?
     HD Reliability and the SE's 20SC
     MacMag virus infects commercial software

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From: [e-mail] (Alexander M. Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: Apple's CD SC CD-ROM driver
Date: 14 Mar 88 09:16:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; CATS

It sounds like you have a copy of the technical documentation that Apple
gave out at the CD-ROM conference. If you do, then you already know more
than most.
>From what I could determine, about half tof the CD-ROM driver calls work on
the Toshiba drive without rewriting. THe calls that work on non-Apple
dirves are for the most part noted as such in the technical
documentation. What I think is the best route in this event is to write
your own CD-ROM driver for the Toshiba, although I suspect many are
already doing drivers for that drive. My 2 cents are: make sure that
Apple's neato Audio CD player desk accessory works with whatever you may
do. It is just too cool to believe.

Side Note: Have you tried the Apple Drive? What I wanna know is, can one
play an Audio CD without using MultiFinder (the DA closes. Does the
music end, or is the APlay command synchronous?) Also, Does anybody have
any idea how a small SCSI adaptor could be built to just play audio with
the Apple drive?  Some Radio SHack parts and the technical doumentation
are all that seems needed Just simulate the Audio commands that the
driver sends with buttons! You could sell millions when the Apple drive
goes obsolete!
--
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~  Crown College, UCSC     ~ UUCP:...!ucbvax!ucscc!ucscb!alibaba~ Propulsion  ~
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~               ~ so nobody cares what I say.    ~          ~


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From: [e-mail] (Todd Fox)
Subject: Good Fortran Compiler for the Mac. The results are in.
Date: 14 Mar 88 06:38:18 GMT


Several weeks ago I posted looking for a good Fortran compiler for the
Mac. I got quite a few responses - most of which sounded like:

  Yeah, I'm looking for one too. Let me know what you get.

Compiler people take heed. There seems to be a weak spot in the market
here.

I got some negative reviews of various compilers. These and my own I
will share with you now.

Microsoft
  It's the one we ended up using. You don't get to do any of the nice
little file handling things that we all got used to with the IBM
Fortrans we've  used. (ie deleting files, getting directories) These
things are useful to a lot of applications so I can't understand why
it's been left out. They have this thing they call a toolbox that let's
you do all those Mac things like play with windows and it appears to be
the way to get at file creation/manipulation et. al. They kindly refer
you to this 100 dollar book if you want to get deeper but they don't say
if it'll do any of the stuff I'm interested in. The only way I know this
stuff can be done is because they  have a completely undocumented
routine that renames a file using some toolbox generated pointers. Why
stop there? Why not write a few more routines? They do have a print
spooler and time and date routines though.
  I'm not sure why this compiler has such a time with large numbers of
common blocks. The numerous IBM compilers we have used had no troubles
at all and the IBM has much less memory to play with and it's segmented
at that. Regardless, this compiler just wouldn't take it. I ended up
taking most of the common blocks out of BLOCK DATA and initializing them
with assignment statements (ie. x = 5). Needless to say, this took a
great deal of time. I  can't wait until I get this thing running and
start to find all the bugs generated by typos.
  Another problem I've had is that the Microsoft compiler tends to
squack at things that have made it through tons of other compilers on
everything from an IBM 4341 to a microVax II to the IBM PC. Perhaps it's
following the standard a little more closely but I don't think so. Not
after all the compilers that this code has seen. This has certainly made
porting a real pain in the butt.
  This is the first compiler I've ever seen that won't let you use unit
6 as the standard input and output. I thought this was a universal
standard. More changes (thank god we used a variable here).
  The debugger bothers me to no end. It came so close to being a really
nice one too. And the error messages are absolutely terrible -
especially from the linker.
  Then there's the little things that I won't mention that make it just
plain awkward to use.

  Redeeming feature:  It compiles and links quite quickly. I don't know
about the execution speeds yet - I'm not that far. The code it's
generating (so far) is about 12% smaller than compressed code on the
IBM-PC!

Pecan
  I had high hopes for these guys but they never made it. Another guy at
work did most of the work with this and barely got past step one. I
found the manual absoulutely terrible. Perhaps one of the worst I've
ever seen. The compiler is based out of a thing called the Power System.
I believe that this is some sort of an environment that needs to be
present for your application to run (don't quote me here). Of course
this means the      application takes up more room on disks when you
ship it out the door. Anyway, all the documentation for the power system
lists examples using PC-DOS and Pascal. But wait, I bought a Fortran
compiler for a MAC???? I found that quite disturbing. A little Fortran
manual came along too. It mostly contains references to the power system
manual. Wonderful! The P.S. manual gives everal examples of getting the
sytem date and time. Good, at least it does that much. Of course the
example is in Pascal. Unfortunately, the Fortran compiler won't do this.
You have to buy their Pascal compiler to write the routine in and then
link it in with your Fortran code. They seemed to have noticed the need
for these functions when making the Pascal compiler but not the Fortran.
  What little I did use this compiler after these observations did
nothing my favour.

Others (sent in by you, the members of the net.land community)
   I only got very general comments on other compilers.

MacTran. PHHPPLLTTT. (I don't know how to spell that.)
 However I have been told that their version 3.0 may be pretty good. One
net.lander informed me that MacTran tries to keep their stuff reasoanbly
up to date (much more so than ABSOFT).

ABSOFT
 Not too good but better than MacTran.

One person told me about "Language System's FORTRAN-77". It's an MPW
tool. (whatever that means). He said the specs and demos look really
good (but they haven't had a chance to really beat it up yet). Those
interested parties can call Language Sytems in Herndon, VA (703)
478-0181. Let me know if you do.

I hope my review has helped people a little. It's the best I could
muster up.

Good luck to anyone venturing into the lonely world of Fortran on the
Mac.
--
Todd Fox  [e-mail]
What? You were in the next room all this time?
I would have just come over to see you!


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From: [e-mail] (Bryan Stearns)
Subject: Re: FONT/DA mover and NFNTs
Date: 14 Mar 88 18:20:51 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael
Newbery) writes:
>1) PLEASE Apple, could you fix FONT/DA mover so it knows about NFNTS?

Alright, already.

Font/DA Mover version 3.8 will support movement of fonts stored in NFNT
resources. Under certain conditions (mostly related to resource-ID
collisions with other NFNTs), it will even "convert" a font to an NFNT
in the process of moving it.

I just finished a draft of a technote covering the issues related to
this change, for font producers and font-editor authors. As soon as it
finishes with the normal review cycle, it will be released with the next
regular batch.

Version 3.8 will be included in the next release of the system tools,
which should be available within a month or so. No, this system release
will probably not include any fonts stored as NFNTs, but at least clever
ResEditors like yourselves will be able to hack around with them; also,
font producers can start selling fonts stored as NFNTs.

(The key advantage to storing fonts as NFNTs instead of FONTs is that
they don't have the resource-ID-encoding restrictions that FONTs do.
Thus, you can have 15872 families in a font file that consist of NFNTs
only [in addition to the 256 FONT-based families you can have now].
Also, we can have styled fonts, so that you see a better representation
of bold Times than the QuickDraw smearing algorithm's attempt, without
having to choose a separate font family: no more BI Times Bold Italic,
etc.)

Pleeze, be patient and wait for the release: don't clog my mailbox with
requests for "beta copies", etc. I'm too busy testing it to send it out.
Also, the technote will be out in due time; please don't ask for that
either. I'm posting this just to let you know that we do pay some
attention to what's needed in the real world.

No, there isn't a version 3.7. Don't ask.
--
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Bryan Stearns                                            Apple Computer, Inc.
Macintosh Applications & Utilities Group         20525 Mariani Ave, M/S 27-AK
[e-mail], stearns%apple@CSNET-RELAY              Cupertino, CA 95014
{nsc,dual,sun,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!stearns "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!"


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From: [e-mail] (William C. DenBesten)
Subject: Want mailing list software
Date: 14 Mar 88 21:54:39 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

We are looking for a piece of software to deal with generating
customized letters and the corresponding mailing labels.  We have 3
requirements:

1) very easy to use. 2) able to print on assorted labels, such as 3-up
photocopier labels
   in a laserwriter, or tractor fed labels in an imagewriter. 3) able to
merge Names/Addresses into MacWrite documents and print
   customized letters.

We don't want to use Microsoft Word, since the power of the package is
more than we want to subject our secretaries to.
-----------------------------------
    We have found one package, Bulk Mailer by Staori software, that looks
    like it may fit the bill.  The only problems are that

    1) the ad for it says that it works with word, but doesn't mention
write and

    2) I know nothing about it. ----------------------------------- Any
Ideas?

E-mail would be nice.  I will summarize the replies.

--
          William C. DenBesten |       [e-mail]
      Dept of Computer Science | CSNET [e-mail]
Bowling Green State University | UUCP  ...!cbosgd!osu-cis!bgsuvax!denbeste
  Bowling Green, OH 43403-0214 |


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From: [e-mail] (Frank Owen )
Subject: Any sign of the Macintosh Hardware Book from Addison-Wesley?
Date: 14 Mar 88 21:30:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Skokie, IL

Has anybody seen this book?  According to APDA, it was supposed to be
availible "early 88". I'm not exactly sure what the official title of
the book is, but it's something like "Macintosh Family Hardware
Reference Guide".  I know that APDA has been selling a Draft version,
but my membership has run out, and besides, I want the real one from a
real publisher.

--
Frank Owen (fjo@ttrdf)  312-982-2182
AT&T Information Systems
Computer Systems Division, 5555 Touhy Ave., Skokie, IL  60077
PATH:  ...!ihnp4!ttrdf!fjo


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From: [e-mail] (Henry Kautz's mailnews program)
Subject: Coral Lisp
Date: 14 Mar 88 22:09:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill



I just ported a substantial piece of software which implements a
knowledge representation system to Allegro Common Lisp, implemented by
Coral Software of Cambridge Mass.

It was one of the most painless porting jobs I've ever experienced. I
did this without looking at manuals (I hate manuals), and asking anybody
else for help. The debugger, the editor (Fred - Emacs clone) and the
listener are all seamlessly integrated, and everything works the way you
expect.

More gratifying was the performance. To load our largish knowledge base,
Coral lisp took about 390 seconds on a Mac II (8MB, 80MB hard disk,
multifinder) with about 8 seconds spent GC'ing. By comparison, our
Symbolics 3670 behemoths take about 200 seconds to load the same KB.
This gives the MacII a 10 to 1 Price/Performance advantage over the
3670.

They seem to have neat macpaint-like tools to create window interfaces,
which I haven't really played with. More on that later.


Prem Devanbu

These are solely my personal opinion, not that of my employer. This
opinion is unsolicited by any of the employees or owners of Coral
Software,  none of whom, to my knowledge, I know.


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Apple's CD SC CD-ROM driver
Date: 15 Mar 88 00:17:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander M.
Rosenberg) writes:
>What I wanna know is, can one play an Audio CD without using
>MultiFinder (the DA closes. Does the music end, or is the APlay
>command synchronous?)

You start up an audio CD using the CD Remote desk accessory.  Once you
start playing a CD, it plays without further intervention from the Mac.
You can close the desk accessory.  When you get to the end of the CD,
the default behavior is to loop back to the beginning.  You can change
that behavior using the CD Remote desk accessory.

Think of the CD Remote desk accessory as everything that comes with a
high-end audio CD remote control.

Multifinder is not relevant to playing an audio CD.  The desk accessory
is what controls audio CD play. (Or program control...)

--Brian Bechtel                [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (joel s. kollin)
Subject: Hard disks
Date: 15 Mar 88 07:11:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Lab, Cambridge MA

Can anyone out tell me something about CMS hard disks?  I saw an ad
today for a 60 Meg external for $795 from Hardware House. This is much
better than anyone else, so I'm wondering what the catch is.  Are they
slow or noisy or something?

Any other recommendations for cheap hard disks?

Thanks

joel


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From: [e-mail] (Peter J. M. Baker)
Subject: Cabri - a tool for graph theory (looking for info)
Date: 13 Mar 88 18:50:30 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. Canada

About a year ago, a program called 'Cabri' appeared in
comp.binaries.mac. This program was designed for experimenting with
various types of graphs and performed a number of operations on those
graphs.  A friend of a friend is very interested in this program and
sent money to the people in France (I think) for updates and other
information.  He has not heard anything from them Does anybody in
netland know anything about the development of this software?  I believe
the developers were from a University in France.

Please respond to me by email and I will forward the information.

                    Thanks,
                        Peter
--
Peter Baker, University of Victoria
USENET:    {alberta,seismo,utai,uw-beaver,watmath}!ubc-vision!uvicctr!pjmbaker
BITNET:    [e-mail]
CDN:    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (William Edward Woody)
Subject: Re: Any sign of the Macintosh Hardware Book from Addison-Wesley?
Date: 15 Mar 88 09:16:15 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Rob Pfile) writes:
>>Has anybody seen this book?  According to APDA, it was supposed to be
>>availible "early 88". I'm not exactly sure what the official title
>>of the book is, but it's something like "Macintosh Family Hardware Reference
>>Guide".  I know that APDA has been selling a Draft version,
>>but my membership has run out, and besides, I want the real one
>>from a real publisher.
>
>    I have seen an Apple Technical Reference Guide that deals with building
>NuBus cards for the Macintosh ][. It is very short (about 100 pages) and is
>actually a rather small book. It is probably just part of what you are
>referring to...

The complete list of Addison-Wesley books that I'm aware of are:

"Inside Macintosh, Volumes I, II, III, IV, V"
   - Complete reference to Macintosh Toolbox and OS for 64K ROMS, with
     IM IV being a delta guide for the 128K ROMS and IM V being a delta
     guide for the 256K ROMS.  (Delta guide--lists only those changes
from
     the previous volumes)

"Technical Introduction to the Macintosh Family"
   - Introduction to the Macintosh software and hardware for all
Macintosh
     computers:  the original Macintosh, the Mac +, Mac SE, and Mac II

"Programmer's Introduction to the Macintosh Family"
   - Introduction to programming the Macintosh system for programmers
who
     are new to it

"Macintosh Family Hardware Reference"  <-- This one, maybe?
   - Reference to the Macintosh hardware for all Macintosh computers,
     excluding the Macintosh XL

"Designing Cards and Drivers for the Macintosh II and Macintosh SE"
   - Hardware and device driver reference to the expansion capabilities
     of the Macintosh II and Macintosh SE

"Human Interface Guidelines:  The Apple Desktop Interface"
   - Detailed guidelines for developers implementing the Macintosh User
     Interface

"Apple Numerics Manual"
   - Description of the SANE environment.


I personally own IM I-V, the "Designing Cards" manual, and the "SANE"
manual. I have also seen both the "Technical Introduction", and the
"Human Interface Guide" at B. Dalton Software here and back home in
Fresno, Ca. (Who in Phresberg would want IM I-V?  I dunno, but the B.
Dalton's there had about two dozen IM Vol. V sitting gathering dust...)
I also saw the "Programmer's Introduction" at MacWorld last January in
San Fransisco, but I haven't seen the "Hardware Reference" so far.  But
at MacWorld I didn't see if the Hardware Reference was there; I had to
work the show... :-(

If you're a beginning programmer (beginning on the Mac, that is; not
beginning programming), the "Programmer's Introduction" is a reasonable
place to start, but if you're already sophisticated in Mac Hacking, the
"Programmer's Introduction" is probably a waste of money.  I also found
the "Technical Intro" and the "Human Interface Guide" both wastes of
money, though there are quite a few companies that I'd love to send
their head programmer the Human Interface Guide as a gift... ;-)

I'm sorry that this is overkill in information, but to summarize: the
book is "Macintosh Family Hardware Reference", and I've yet to see it.
But it should be around "real soon now."  (Remember DBase Mac?)
  -  William Edward Woody
     [e-mail]
(Mac>][n&&/|\)&&(MacII>AT) Disclamer:  I haven't the foggiest idea what
I'm talking about...


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From: [e-mail] (Ed Tecot)
Subject: Re: What I found on the inside of SE's cover....
Date: 15 Mar 88 06:41:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <[e-mail]> buzz@phoenix (Mahboud Zabetian)
writes:
>I opened up my SE to fix the funny buzzing noise the hard disk was making(more
>on that later) and I noticed the signatures on the inside of the cover.  Now, I
>used to have a Mac 128, and those signatures came as no surprise, but what
>surprised me was that among the signatures I saw the familiar signature of
>STEVE JOBS!!  I thought he was fired before the SE was designed.  Or do they
>still let his signature be there since he started the whole Mac dynasty?

The case for the Mac SE was designed from the Mac Plus case, which in
turn was designed from the original 128K Mac case.  Steve happened to
have signed his name in place that has remained unchanged.

                        _emt


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From: [e-mail] (Macintosh Users Group)
Subject: Word 3 Reader?
Date: 12 Mar 88 16:22:17 GMT
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.


Does anyone know of an application, other than Word 3 of course, that
can read Word 3 files? This would be useful, since some people are
posting Word 3 documentation for postings to comp.binaries.mac
--
Thanks in advance,
Jason Haines
President, Club Mac - Australia's LARGEST Macintosh Users Group

Phone Home:  [phone]
OZ Post:     Box 213, Holme Building, Sydney University, NSW, 2006, Australia
Internet:    [e-mail]    UUCP: uunet!runx.ips.oz.au!clubmac


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Trevor)
Subject: HD Reliability and the SE's 20SC
Date: 15 Mar 88 04:08:30 GMT
Organization: Princeton University, NJ

My SE's 20SC died on me about two weeks OUT of warranty! The finder
refused to acknowledge its existence, and all the obvious tricks
(FirstAid, HD SetUp, etc) also failed. (SetUp indicated hardware
failure, and recommended seeing a dealer.) The local university
affiliated dealer claimed the disk was DOD and I am $470 the poorer for
a relacement. The best part comes next...the replacement disk was VERY
noisy (relative to my old one and all the other SE 20's on campus I
listened to). It 'rattled' as well as 'beeped'/'squeeked' (not the
system beep, I reset that to make sure). Quite a few 'discussions' after
that and a couple of (apparently) 'replacement' drives (at least the
dealer claimed he put in new ones...), and I am left with a much noisier
machine (on writes/reads) than I started out with. Not bad for $470
three and a half months after the purchase? The dealer claimed that
Apple have switched their replacement drives to Mini Scribe (from
Rodime), and that these are just noisier. (A colleague posted a question
to AppleLink sometime back about this, but got no response.)

If any of you have had similar problems with the 'Apple' drives, I be
interested in receiving some mail. Thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Platt)
Subject: MacMag virus infects commercial software
Date: 15 Mar 88 17:57:58 GMT
Organization: Coherent Thought Inc., Palo Alto CA

According to an article in this morning's San Jose Mercury News, the
"DREW" INIT-virus has been found to have infected a commercial software
product.

The virus, which was a "benign" time-bomb designed to display a message
of world peace on March 2nd, is present on disks containing Aldus
FreeHand. The virus was inadvertently passed to Aldus by Marc Canter,
president of MacroMind Inc., which makes training disks for Aldus.
Canter visited Canada some time ago, and was given a disk containing a
program called "Mr. Potato Head", which lets users play with a
computerized version of the toy character.  Canter ran the program only
once, and his machine was apparently infected by the virus at this time.
 Subsequently, the virus infected a disk of training software that
Canter then delivered to Aldus; at Aldus, the virus infected disks that
were then sold to customers.

Although this virus was believed to be harmless, Canter reports that it
forced his Macintosh II computer to shut down and caused him to lose
some computer information.  "My system crashed," Canter said, "I was
really angry."

    (( Not all that surprising... quite a few popular but nonstandard
           programming tricks used on the classic Mac don't work on the
Mac II
           due to its different video card/monitor architecture...  many
           games, etc. don't run on the II for this reason and can cause
some
           very impressive system crashes...  dcp ))

Canter fears that more of his customers may have been infected by the
virus. MacroMind's clients include Microsoft Corp., Lotus Development
Corp., Apple Computer Inc. and Ashton-Tate.

Microsoft has determined that none of its software has been infected, a
company spokeswoman said.  Apple and Lotus could not be reached for
comment. Ashton-Tate declined to comment.

Aldus would not comment on how many copies of FreeHand are infected, but
admits that a disk-duplicating machine copied the infected disk for
three days.  Half of the infected disks have been distributed to retail
outlets; the other half are in Aldus' warehouse.

Aldus will replace the infected disks with new, uninfected copies to any
FreeHand buyer who requests it, according to Aldus spokeswoman Laury
Bryant. The company will also replace the infected disks in its
warehouse.

    (( As I recall, the DREW virus infects the System file on affected
           disks, but doesn't affect applications directly.  I suppose
that
           Aldus could salvage the damaged disks by replacing the System
           folders with copies from a locked, uninfected disk... but
it'll
           probably be faster for them to simply erase and reduplicate.

       I have no idea what Canadian liability laws are like these days...
           but I rather suspect that if MacMag were a United States
company
           rather than a Canadian one, its publisher would now be
extremely
           vulnerable to a liability-and-damages suit of some sort.
This
           escapade will probably cost Aldus a pretty piece of change in
           damage-control expenses and perhaps loss-of-sales or
injury-to-
           reputation.

           Kids, don't try this sort of thing at home!

                    --- dcp ))

--

Dave Platt
  UUCP: ...!{ames,sun,uunet}!coherent!dplatt     DOMAIN: [e-mail]
    INTERNET: coherent![e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]

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